So with the recent drama it looks like bcachefs isn’t going to stay in the kernel for too long. What do I do now? I have my root filesystem as bcachefs on multiple devices. Is it possible to migrate to btrfs or ext4?

  • thingsiplay@beehaw.org
    312·
    28 days ago

    I like this response best so far (from the actual mailing list): https://lwn.net/ml/linux-kernel/10576437.nUPlyArG6x@lichtvoll.de/ (from Martin Steigerwald)

    Do you really think that power-playing Kent into submission by doing a public apology is doing anything good to resolve the issue at hand?

    While it may not really compare to some of the wording Linus has used before having been convinced to change his behavior… I do not agree with the wording Kent has used. I certainly do not condone it.

    But this forced public apology approach in my point of view is very likely just to cement the division instead of heal it. While I publicly disagreed with Kent before, I also publicly disagree with this kind of Code of Conduct enforcement. I have seen similar patterns within the Debian community and in my point of view this lead to the loss of several Debian developers who contributed a lot to the project while leaving behind frustration and unresolved conflict.

    No amount of power play is going to resolve this. Just exercising authority is not doing any good in here. This needs mediation, not forced public humiliation.

    To me, honestly written, this whole interaction feels a bit like I’d imagine children may be fighting over a toy. With a majority of the children grouping together to single out someone who does not appear to fit in at first glance. I mean no offense with that. This is just the impression I got so far. The whole interaction just does not remind me of respectful communication between adult human beings. I have seen it with myself… in situations where it was challenging for me to access what I learned, for whatever reason, I had been acting similarly to a child. So really no offense meant. This is just an impression I got and wanted to mirror back to you for your consideration.

    This quote is not the entire response, but most of it. Edit: I totally forgot to include a link. Added now.

    • beleza pura@lemmy.eco.br
      181·
      28 days ago

      power-playing Kent into submission

      isn’t the issue that kent thinks the kernel guidelines don’t apply to him because he’s just that good? unless i’m missing something, why should we just let him try to trample the kernel guidelines without even asking for an apology?

      • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
        142·
        28 days ago

        this is absolutely the issue… the specific thing he did is irrelevant: you play by the rules, or you gtfo… it doesn’t matter how valuable your contributions are, if you can’t treat people with respect that leads to a toxic culture that eats at the project from the inside

        linus was renowned for his insults… he realised (or was told; doesn’t matter at this point) that that behaviour was inappropriate, and his behaviour is now more tempered because it’s important to be able to ensure everyone feels like their work is valued and they’re not just shoveling shit for someone else

        and i say this all as someone who is absolutely ecstatic about the prospect of bcachefs and think that his code is among the most important being contributed in the past years and for the next few years: WE NEED A NEW STABLE FILESYSTEM more than almost anything… but if you allow bad behaviour, it erodes the collaborative culture and you just can not allow that in the largest collaborative software project humanity has ever created

        • PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          23·
          27 days ago

          When other devs can force a CoC on the actual creator of Linux, that’s when you know they’ve gone to far. It’s his, wtf should anyone else get a say in how it’s governed?

          • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
            71·
            26 days ago

            it’s absolutely not his. he is a major and important contributor and person in the community, but linux belongs to humanity and to the community that has now written far more of linux than linus has

            • PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              11·
              24 days ago

              The hell it isn’t. It wouldn’t exist if he didn’t start the entire thing. He birthed it. At best, anyone else has only contributed to it.

    • Laser@feddit.org
      141·
      28 days ago

      While I understand the sentiment, I’d argue that an apology should be made in the same context as what you’re apologizing for. Kent made his statements on the LKML - if his apology is sincere, I don’t think it’s too much to ask to put it there as well

      • thingsiplay@beehaw.org
        123·
        28 days ago

        I’m not a fan of forced apology. It’s just there like forcing a billionaire to apology, so some people feel better and to get a false sense. An apology should come from them without asking for one. Otherwise it loses its meaning and is only a formal apology, not a meaningful one. It can even make it worse, because people tend to forget look over the issue as resolved. As said, I do not like the idea at all.

        • Laser@feddit.org
          212·
          28 days ago

          Nobody forced him to apologize. On the other hand, the Linux community isn’t forced to take his patches.

        • beleza pura@lemmy.eco.br
          71·
          28 days ago

          it doesn’t matter if his apology is sincere or not, bc the point is not to make him sincerely repent from his sins. the point is ensuring he will subject himself to the kernel guidelines whether he likes it or not. a public apology means “regardless of how right i think i am, i will now follow the rules of the house”

          simple as

        • PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          12·
          27 days ago

          You’ll almost never get a forced apology out of an autistic person, anyway. The CoC has no consideration for the neurodivergent.

    • Shareni@programming.dev
      71·
      28 days ago

      To me it sounds like Shuah is trying to prove his position has a value while also being on this level of a power trip

    • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
      11·
      24 days ago

      What’s the alternative? Ignore the CoC and ask “pwetty pwease don’t do it again?”

      No, them’s the rules, you play by them or you don’t play at all.

      • finderscult@lemmy.mlEnglish
        11·
        24 days ago

        The alternative is developers leaving Linux contribution leaving just corporate contributors, which appears to be the Linux Foundation’s plan.