Entering beta
chimera-linux.org
Today we have updated apk-tools to an rc tag. With this, the project is now entering beta phase, after around a year and a half.
  • GolfNovemberUniform@infosec.pubEnglish
    115·
    5 days ago

    They claim to have a lot of features. I hope they succeed (as long as it’s not immutable). Alpine-based distros are definitely not something common.

    • jamesbunagna@discuss.onlineEnglish
      101·
      5 days ago

      They claim to have a lot of features.

      What features are you referring to?

      As I understand it, it’s basically trying to answer the following question: What if we could start over and use existing building blocks to make a simple yet complete system using the Linux kernel? All changes have been made in accordance to that basic premise. From replacing GNU in GNU/Linux with BSD, to choosing dinit over systemd as init system.

      I hope they succeed (as long as it’s not immutable)

      Are you one of those with a raging hateboner towards everything immutable? I ask this as I don’t see any reason to bring this up in the first place.

      FWIW, I absolutely hope for it to succeed as well. Innovation (of any kind) pushes the industry forward. When people oppose innovation for whatever reason, it always reminds me of Henry Ford’s famous quote: “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”

      • GolfNovemberUniform@infosec.pubEnglish
        45·
        5 days ago

        What features are you referring to?

        You answered this question in the reply already.

        Are you one of those with a raging hateboner towards everything immutable? I ask this as I don’t see any reason to bring this up in the first place.

        I meant that I support this distro as long as it’s not immutable because I’m an opponent of immutability on the desktop. If they’re also making other kinds of systems, immutability may be beneficial there.

        When people oppose innovation for whatever reason, it always reminds me of Henry Ford’s famous quote: “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”

        Sometimes innovation is bad or rushed (such as removal of X11 on Fedora). Often only people with the newest hardware can benefit from it anyways. They don’t care about regular users making the products worse for them which is basically egoism. There is a reason for proprietary products having legacy support after all.

        • jamesbunagna@discuss.onlineEnglish
          21·
          5 days ago

          I think I better understand you now. Btw, I had changed my previous reply moments before I read your reply. My bad*.

          I meant that I support this distro as long as it’s not immutable because I’m an opponent of immutability on the desktop. If they’re also making other kinds of systems, immutability may be beneficial there.

          Have you been around since before the introduction of systemd? Systemd’s introduction was a lot more invasive and threatening to ‘traditional’ distros than immutables are today. Distros changed to systemd over night. Only Arch and Debian had communities that succeeded in establishing systemd-less derivatives. By contrast, the interest for immutability in existing distros (almost always) means a parallel distro is created with (at least initially) immutability tacked on.

          So, please correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel as if you’re being too aggressive/overreactive considering how nonthreatening immutable desktops are to traditional distros.

          Sometimes innovation change is bad or rushed (such as removal of X11 on Fedora).

          Fixed that for you 😉.

          Often only people with the newest hardware can benefit from it anyways.

          Fair, but as unfortunate as it is, that’s basically a consequence of consumerism. I don’t like it, don’t get me wrong.

          They don’t care about regular users making the products worse for them which is basically egoism.

          I don’t think this applies to Linux overall. Fedora (and Red Hat by extension) have a vision that made them default to Wayland by default. So you’d be right to blame their policy. But this is nothing new for Fedora; they’re known to push bold changes. You might not like it or disagree with them. Fine. But is it important enough to hate them for it? Isn’t life too short for that?

          There is a reason for proprietary products having legacy support after all.

          Are you implying that doesn’t apply to Linux? I don’t understand. On an open system like Linux is, this doesn’t really seem to hold much weight. You can swap stuff around as you see fit.

          • GolfNovemberUniform@infosec.pubEnglish
            1·
            5 days ago

            It’s a very very weird view on this topic. I’m really not a fan of the “we can’t do anything so let’s sit and wait until everything gets worse” philosophy. I’d even recommend banning supporters of it everywhere in the FOSS world.

            systemd is pretty bad but it was accepted because it was the best thing available at the time for the purpose and the community needed a standard. Now times are different.

            Immutability is a big change that comes with its own issues. It makes a lot of sense in the equipment control space and some office space so it shouldn’t be just forgotten but simply accepting everything because it’s new and shiny will turn Linux into the modern society which accepted everything, beaten all the happiness lows and now refuses to admit its own fault.

            It’s quite different to Pipewire which is another recently accepted standard. The transition had some issues but in the end it became fully compatible with stuff made for previous standards so nothing changed for the end user. With immutability such a scenario is impossible without losing all the advantages.

            Also the FOSS community and especially projects don’t have quite the expertise in topics not directly related to programming so making good decisions is much harder for them. UX/UI is a very known example. Though here I’m talking about statistics and analysis.

            • jamesbunagna@discuss.onlineEnglish
              3·
              5 days ago

              I’ll keep it relatively brief for fearing unwieldiness.

              I’m really not a fan of the “we can’t do anything so let’s sit and wait until everything gets worse” philosophy.

              I agree. I hope you’re not implying I’m stating otherwise.

              but it was accepted because it was the best thing available at the time for the purpose

              More like Red Hat pushed it as the new standard and the rest followed suit. Distro maintainers are pragmatic and reasonable people. They’ll more often than not go for the path of least resistance.

              A clear cut example of this would be how most distros don’t opt for btrfs in combination with time shift or snapper for snapshot functionality. So clearly, they are not really trying to offer the best solution. Instead they just try to push a system that’s as easy as they come for them to maintain and act accordingly.

              the community needed a standard

              And we already had one: SysVinit. Don’t try to rewrite history.

              I initially started writing a reply on the remaining text but noticed that my writings were continued to be misunderstood. Therefore, I decided to retract any further reply and will choose to stop engaging in this conversation. Thank you for the engagement. However, I would like to offer a small piece of advice as a fellow Lemmy user:

              In future conversations, whether they are debates or discussions, please try to understand what the other person is saying. Avoid creating a straw man argument. If needed, ask for clarifications to ensure you fully grasp their point. If you continue to have difficulty understanding, consider alternative approaches to gain a better understanding.

              I don’t know how this conversation deteriorated, but I’ll let it be. Thank you once more. For the record, I don’t think this conversation will be productive moving forward. You seem to be focused on your own points without trying to understand the other side, which is fine. You don’t have to try to understand me; I may not be important. However, the ideas I try to convey might be, and it’s more important to consider and understand those.

              Anyhow, I wish you the best.